IS ONCE "SAVED" ALWAYS SAVED?
Back in the 1990s, various preachers from diverse denominations, while eating sumptuous breakfasts, at the old Niecie's Restaurant on Prospect Avenue in Kanas City, Missouri, used to debate dogmatically the question :
"Whether once one was "saved," meant that one was always saved?"
No one that I now recall ever actually defined what he meant by "saved." It was rather assumed to do with one's own life on earth and one's afterlife .
This question crossed my mind again today, as I read the following :
"The Scypion sisters' maternal grandmother, a woman named Mariette, was a member of the Natchez tribe. The significant 'legal' moment that determines their fates occurred well before Marie Scypion was born. In 1769, when the Spanish controlled the region, a colonial governor issued a decree that banned Indian slavery. And long afterward, by the received Anglo-American tradition, once slaves became free, they were forever free, as were their descendants."
P.41, "The Three Daughters of Marie Scypion ," REDEMPTION SONGS SUING FOR FREEDOM BEFORE DRED SCOTT (2014) by Lea Vandervelde .
Now, by this logic, a person who once was "saved"--as defined by sect--would always be saved, just like a freed Indian descendant, after 1769, was always "free," under Spanish law.
But that would take all the fun out of the argument if either was so certain, wouldn't it?--Salvation or Freedom!
So, predictably the Scypion sisters had to sue to gain their freedom, law notwithstanding, when latecomers saw fit to reclaim them as slaves! The sisters sued and they won! Victory was based upon the old law, the "received Anglo-American tradition" that was ignored! A similar "received Anglo-American tradition" that has been as conspicuously ignored as Spanish law is the King James Bible.
Returning to the question, salvation seekers must be just as dynamic, just as elastic, just as forthright , as were these Scypion sisters, in order to be "saved" always, since man has been known to trespass into God's lane!
The freedom above is physical, while salvation above is spiritual . "Where the spirit of the Lord is, is freedom."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/…
Be not swayed, neither dismayed by man's mundane meanings or letters.
The letter kills, but the spirit enlivens. Instead, look to the spirit; be guided by the spirit; be moved by its love, & power in your daily words and deeds.
What follows this life is unknowable on this plane, but is exclusive to God.
Tuesday, August 16, 2016
is once "saved" always saved?
IS ONCE "SAVED" ALWAYS SAVED?
Back in the 1990s, various preachers from diverse denominations, while eating sumptuous breakfasts, at the old Niecie's Restaurant on Prospect Avenue in Kanas City, Missouri, used to debate dogmatically the question :
"Whether once one was "saved," meant that one was always saved?"
No one that I now recall ever actually defined what he meant by "saved." It was rather assumed to do with one's own life on earth and one's afterlife .
This question crossed my mind again today, as I read the following :
"The Scypion sisters' maternal grandmother, a woman named Mariette, was a member of the Natchez tribe. The significant 'legal' moment that determines their fates occurred well before Marie Scypion was born. In 1769, when the Spanish controlled the region, a colonial governor issued a decree that banned Indian slavery. And long afterward, by the received Anglo-American tradition, once slaves became free, they were forever free, as were their descendants."
P.41, "The Three Daughters of Marie Scypion ," REDEMPTION SONGS SUING FOR FREEDOM BEFORE DRED SCOTT (2014) by Lea Vandervelde .
Now, by this logic, a person who once was "saved"--as defined by sect--would always be saved, just like a freed Indian descendant, after 1769, was always "free," under Spanish law.
But that would take all the fun out of the argument if either was so certain, wouldn't it?--Salvation or Freedom!
So, predictably the Scypion sisters had to sue to gain their freedom, law notwithstanding, when latecomers saw fit to reclaim them as slaves! The sisters sued and they won! Victory was based upon the old law, the "received Anglo-American tradition" that was ignored! A similar "received Anglo-American tradition" that has been as conspicuously ignored as Spanish law is the King James Bible.
Returning to the question, salvation seekers must be just as dynamic, just as elastic, just as forthright , as were these Scypion sisters, in order to be "saved" always, since man has been known to trespass into God's lane!
The freedom above is physical, while salvation above is spiritual . "Where the spirit of the Lord is, is freedom."
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/…
Be not swayed, neither dismayed by man's mundane meanings or letters.
The letter kills, but the spirit enlivens. Instead, look to the spirit; be guided by the spirit; be moved by its love, & power in your daily words and deeds.
What follows this life is unknowable on this plane, but is exclusive to God.